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Two FBI Agents “FALL” Out of Helicopter and Die?

Were these FBI agents “pushed out” instead of stumbling around and falling? In other words, were they set-up and murdered? The ship was a privately contracted entity (it happened “on a leased Military Sealift Command ship”): no Navy personnel were involved: must be treated like a murder until proven otherwise.

Again, we raise the logical probability: Were these men assassinated for what they knew? Were they considering going public on that knowledge? Did they meet the same end as Pat Tillman, murder at the hands of the Mossad?

Repost: Two FBI Agents “FALL” Out of Helicopter and Die. Two members of the FBI’s elite counterterrorism unit died last Friday while practicing how to quickly drop from a helicopter to a ship using a rope, the FBI announced Monday in a statement.The statement gave few details regarding the deaths of Special Agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw, other than to say the helicopter encountered unspecified difficulties and the agents fell a “significant distance.” Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. And in February, it rescued a 5-year-old boy held hostage for six days in an underground bunker in Alabama.“Whenever things go really wrong, the FBI calls in the Hostage Rescue Team. It’s the government’s 911,” Coulson said.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/two-fbi-agents-involved-in-arrest-of-boston-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaevs-fall-out-of-helicopter-and-die/5336131

Irvin Wells, a former FBI special agent who retired in 1990 after leading the Norfolk field office for three years, stressed that the Hostage Rescue Team is different from the FBI’s regular SWAT teams.

He noted that agents assigned to a field office’s SWAT team also must perform other jobs inside the bureau, while agents assigned to the Hostage Rescue Team have no other duties.

See article  at PilotOnline.com

FBI: Agents died in fall from helicopter off Virginia Coast

By Scott Daugherty, The Virginian-Pilot © 

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicop…

As well as the obituary

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx…

Editor’s note: not believing in coincidences, these deaths are hereby held as murders until proven otherwise. Let’s begin the process of investigating this. Use this post as a format for now, and possibly a forum will be started regarding this shortly. It would appear that these men were eliminated, just like the Navy Seals in Afghanistan, who were conveniently obliterated.

From the Intelhub:

“It’s the most rigorous training regiment in law enforcement, probably in the world,” said Danny Coulson, a former deputy assistant director of the FBI who started the team 30 years ago and served as its first commander. “They have to be able to do any mission, at any time.”

Among other things, members of the Hostage Rescue Team are trained to rappel from helicopters, scuba dive and use explosives to break down doors and walls. When needed, the team can deploy within four hours to anywhere in the U.S.

“It sounds risky, and it absolutely is,” Coulson said. “They have the same skill sets as SEAL Team 6 and Delta Force.”

From local affiliates, RE: Monica Asif:

“When the chopper came through, it whizzed around really fast. The urgency was different, and it drew our attention,” Asif said.

She noticed a pilot and uniformed men get out carrying a patient on a gurney and rushing into the hospital. A few minutes later the helicopter left and came back with another patient who was receiving CPR during the descent onto the hospital roof, Asif said.

The two patients were agents with the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team being rushed from a training accident off the coast of Virginia Beach. The accident happened on a leased Military Sealift Command ship, according to a Navy spokesperson, although no Navy personnel participated in the training.

Asif said it looked like the chopper arrived unannounced.
http://www.fox43tv.com/dpps/news/local/norfolk/Hurt-FBI-agents-flown-to-Norfolk-hospital_6121069

From a nodisinfo.com poster:

They were suppose to fast rope down to the ship. Being former Special Forces I can attest to the fact that there are two ways to use a rope from a helicopter. One is by repelling and the other is by fast roping. The helicopter is about 75 feet above the ground. Repelling is from the side of the helicopter and fast roping is from a trap down in the middle of the helicopter. Since there is all sorts of safety involved murder is a possibility. Just like when I jumped from C-130′s, C-141′s, Huey’s, Russian Bi-plaine, and a Russian Hippo helicopter, you go through a lot of safety throughout the ordeal which is very unnerving. This safety from the repel master or jump master scares you more than just jumping. the chute has a 99% chance of opening just by the way it is constructed. You don’t just fall out of a helicopter unless you are hit by an RPG. In that case, you better just go ahead and jump because you will be dead any way. This is why Tammy Duckworth the new congresswoman never lost her legs flying combat helicopters in Iraq. We have no women, yet, in combat arms, and if the helicopter that she was flying was hit by an RPG or SAM, she would have been toast. You don’t survive. I would have to say that while these FBI agents were repelling or fast roping, somebody probably cut the lines. The rope is pretty strong, it isn’t that easy to fall when you are hanging on to it.

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  1. In a Google search, I found the following image of Special Agents Christopher Lorek (left) and Stephen Shaw (right)
    http://r1.cygnuspub.com/files/cygnus/image/OFCR/2013/MAY/600×400/fbiagents_10946029.jpg

    The Google page link was to http://www.officer.com/news/10945505/two-fbi-agents-killed-during-training-exercise however, the image does not appear there.

    A Lorek obituary has the same image of him.
    http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx?n=christopher-lorek&pid=164892521&fhid=4651#fbLoggedOut

    Stephen Shaw was also an FBI hair and fiber examiner, according to his testimony in the Casey Anthony murder trial. There is a picture of Shaw on the stand here:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/fbi-examiner-says-hair-from-casey-anthony-s-car-and-caylee-s-skull-consistent

    As opposed to Lorek, Shaw doesn’t exactly look like the manly type one would expect to see eagerly jumping out of helicopters. IMHO, His neck isn’t wasn’t thick enough. :)

    • Photo in the post. Keep digging.

  2. Any conscious person, with an IQ of over 80, can figure out that there is no way in the world that ‘helicopter difficulties” will result in the death of 2 people without the helicopter crashing – and in the case of a crash, everybody on board would be either maimed or killed. What possible helicopter event would result in 2 men dying? Perhaps 1, in a freak incident, but 2? Not possible unless there was foul play and there is no way it could not be attributed to helicopter difficulties. This is a complete lie.

    The 2 guys involved in the apprehension of a patsy, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, die by helicopter, the entire seal team 6 die by helicopter, Todashev dies by FBI in the company of 5 armed men, Ambassador Stephens dies by terrorists armed and employed by the US government, and so many more that any reasonable thinking person can only deduct that this involves murder. This cannot all be the result of bad luck.

  3. Though they were members of the same FBI team, I haven’t been able to determine that these two were in Boston. The team may consist of many members who are assigned to various field offices around the country. Somewhere else I read that the team can respond within four hours anywhere in the country. That wouldn’t be the case if the team worked out of one location or individual members were scattered about the country.

    A winch used for raising and lowering rescue rope could be considered a part of the helicopter and certainly could fail. There are many possibilities for what happened. And, we haven’t been given complete information. For example, I can envision that a sudden, unexpected movement by a helicopter due to a gust of wind could possibly, with enough force, cause someone to be “whipped” off of a rescue rope.

    • Indeed, what exactly is this Boston connection?

      The alternative media outlets all seem to repeat 1 same line of text coming from PilotsOnline.com (http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast).

      -= Last month, the team was involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. =-

      Note that the line is not quoted as said by Danny Coulson, a former deputy assistant director of the FBI. But other sentences in the article are quoted as said by him.
      After research I noted that only alternative media mention this vague connection (and go pretty wild on it). Big/normal MSM does not mention Boston at all.

      Don’t get me wrong, I do think it is suspious and tend to feel it’s a cleanup. But I have seen very little to no connection to Boston. The guys could have been on assignment in Alsaka for the last 15 months or be cleaned up for other older false flags.

      Let’s email Scott Daugherty for more info.

      • Could be: but if there was a connection would they hide it or mention it?

        • they died by impact of water? I doubt this entirely. I have extreme doubt.

        • Why continue denying that they died of natural conditions? These guy died of un-natural conditions.

          • Yes, doubt it, too. There should be some kind of confirmation available to determine the degree of involvement of these men and why they were likely assassinated.

  4. Sorry about the question mark–it was part of a comment I tried posting that wasn’t showing up. I tried replying to Ron K 4 times, but each time it just disappeared. On another post I couldn’t even get the reply screen to open. Weird stuff happening with the site. I wonder if this comment will even go through.

  5. Michelle if that happens again please fresh your browser and try again.

  6. They were suppose to fast rope down to the ship. Being former Special Forces I can attest to the fact that there are two ways to use a rope from a helicopter. One is by repelling and the other is by fast roping. The helicopter is about 75 feet above the ground. Repelling is from the side of the helicopter and fast roping is from a trap down in the middle of the helicopter. Since there is all sorts of safety involved murder is a possibility. Just like when I jumped from C-130′s, C-141′s, Huey’s, Russian Bi-plaine, and a Russian Hippo helicopter, you go through a lot of safety throughout the ordeal which is very unnerving. This safety from the repel master or jump master scares you more than just jumping. the chute has a 99% chance of opening just by the way it is constructed. You don’t just fall out of a helicopter unless you are hit by an RPG. In that case, you better just go ahead and jump because you will be dead any way. This is why Tammy Duckworth the new congresswoman never lost her legs flying combat helicopters in Iraq. We have no women, yet, in combat arms, and if the helicopter that she was flying was hit by an RPG or SAM, she would have been toast. You don’t survive. I would have to say that while these FBI agents were repelling or fast roping, somebody probably cut the lines. The rope is pretty strong, it isn’t that easy to fall when you are hanging on to it.

    • It also appears from the YouTube video that there is only one man on the rope at a time, at least for the most part. I know nothing about this subject, but it appears to me from the video that extra caution is taken in this maneuver by having only one man on the rope at one time. To me that adds to the suspicion around this incident, especially if both of these agents were involved in the apprehension of two innocent young men for the hoax Boston Marathon bombing, where one man was obviously brutally murdered and the other one maimed for life. It is also very suspicious that these agents’ deaths were within only days of the obvious murder of another young man in Florida. My gut feeling is that these two men knew, saw, or heard something they shouldn’t have.

  7. Toxicology tests are routine for trauma deaths? Could they suspect these guys of using drugs?

    Glenn McBride, a spokesman for the state medical examiner’s office, said it could be months before his staff can release a final cause and manner of death for the two agents. He said they must wait for the results of routine toxicology tests.
    http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast

  8. isaiah142013 obviously knows more about fast-roping than I. So, I had to learn a little and share.

    “The FBI agents were participating in a maritime counterterrorism exercise involving helicopters and a ship,” Special Agent Ann Todd, an FBI spokeswoman, wrote in an email Monday night. “The agents were in the process of fast-roping from the aircraft onto the ship when the helicopter encountered difficulties. The agents tragically fell a significant distance and suffered fatal injuries.”
    http://www.officer.com/news/10946547/fbi-agents-fell-to-deaths-during-training?utm_source=related_content_box&utm_medium=related_content&utm_campaign=10945505

    Fast-roping
    Falling out of Helicopter fast
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbq_hjcMY84

    Fast Rope
    Ropin out of Helo onto the boat on the way back to okinawa [it's not a boat, it's a ship]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao75ExLlngU

    Two FBI agents died during training exercise
    [News report with some interesting fast-rope stock footage]
    10 On Your Side’s Lauren Compton reports on the death of two FBI agents who died during a training exercise off the coast of Virginia Beach.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrGpDZEr5Ss

    Fast-roping
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast-roping

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